Ballistic gelatin test results for: Aguila 38gr SuperExtra LHP Aguila 60gr SSS CCI 22 Short 27gr PLHP CCI 32gr Quik-Shok Pre-fragmented CCI 40gr Subsonic Pre…
Very thorough, well done.
I have the P22 as backup to my SP2022 and I concur that very few rounds
expand in targets at 10 meters / 30 yds, including Stingers.
A barrel shorter than 4 inches just does not create sufficient velocity.
But, the best gun is the one you have on you – and I would submit, in
addition to the points on affordability and less recoil, that the compact
size might offer concealed carry options in certain situations which a
standard or even compact 9mmP or 40S&W wont.
Further, the P22 matched with Stinger rounds creates sufficient shock-&-awe
in a self defense situation (because of the significant percussion) to at
least temporarily disorientate your attacker and will probably give them
convincing reason to reconsider their attack. If backed up with the
required, appropriate training, the P22 (or the Ruger) can be very
effective in self defense.
Thanks again for a good review!
Very thorough, well done.
I have the P22 as backup to my SP2022 and I concur that very few rounds
expand in targets at 10 meters / 30 yds, including Stingers.
A barrel shorter than 4 inches just does not create sufficient velocity.
But, the best gun is the one you have on you – and I would submit, in
addition to the points on affordability and less recoil, that the compact
size might offer concealed carry options in certain situations which a
standard or even compact 9mmP or 40S&W wont.
Further, the P22 matched with Stinger rounds creates sufficient shock-&-awe
in a self defense situation (because of the significant percussion) to at
least temporarily disorientate your attacker and will probably give them
convincing reason to reconsider their attack. If backed up with the
required, appropriate training, the P22 (or the Ruger) can be very
effective in self defense.
Thanks again for a good review!
Thank you for the tremendous amount of research and testing! Definitely not
an ideal caliber, but certainly a viable caliber particularly since it’s
very easy to get off multiple shots quickly in a tight group because of the
low recoil. I was personally impressed with the Sniper Subsonics.
I am aware of the difference in velocity’s that a long barrel has over a
short barrel. His comment was “very seldom does a hand gun have enough
velocity to expand”. Let me reiterate , an be more specific, “with cci
hollow points i get 100% expansion with my 22/45, 5 inch barrel hand gun
out to around fifty yards.
I would like to see this again with denim an maybe a rib from a deer in
front of the test media, it would be a different outcome. CCI hollow points
mushroom 100% of the time out of my Ruger 22/45 when shooting thru deer or
cow ribs.
the sss bullet is extremely accurate when used with the correct rifling, it
needs a 1-9 twist which makes it a natural for ar15 conversion kits. it
carries more energy at extended range than the high velocity rounds and
offers more penetration. note it is a 22 short case with a 60 grain bullet.
How are you getting a velocity of only 1280fps out of a RIFLE for the
Velocitor, when it’s rated at 1435? Did you test more than one round? And
how is there only 10.8 inches in penetration in 10% gel for the same round,
when in your 20% gel went basically to the end of the 10 inch block?
Some of us have the skills and the mindset to be very effective with just a
mouse gun. Don’t worry. I’m very well armed at home and on the road. The
22lr pistol is just a sweet little sub compact for those days when I’m
feeling more like James Bond or Jason Bourne and I’m in the mood for
finesse. I have lots of B.A. choices for those days when I need to go Rambo
and get all Terminator on someone. LOL!
Great video! Thanks for posting. We have a 22lr handgun and we keep it
loaded and available as a defensive firearm. CCI makes a 40 grain solid
nose Mini Mag and that’s what we load for PD in our little mouse gun.
Ballistic gel tests from a handgun have shown penetration of 13″ for the 40
gr CCI Mini Mag. CCI Mini Mags are known for reliable ignition so we trust
it.
the 40gr velocitor looks like the clear winner to me It nearly looks like a
decent 9mm JHP going through the block. I just wish someone would dispell
these myths about 22lr. I get so tired of hearing “it’ll bounce around
inside of them!” There’s boat loads of choices for defensive firearms, if
you can’t handle recoil, stop buying microscopic guns! Get a full sized
service firearm, like the beretta 92, it recoils about like a 22lr.
Back when pistols were legal here I saw some distinct differences in
reliability. One Beretta .22LR with tiny grip and tiny barrel would
reliably fire any round it actually chambered but sucked at feeding
relative to most of the others. Some of the others must have had lame or
dirty mechanisms because they didn’t reliably fire some ammunition. The
brand new S&W (1995 model, I think) *always* misfed from a full magazine
and nearly always misfed the last round in the magazine too. Brownings
ruled!
If a bullet can’t penetrate drywall don’t count on it penetrating a sternum
and driving deep into vital organs. Stay away from segmented and shotshell
crap. 60 gr Aguila SSS gets my vote, but I’ll settle for 40 gr CCI Mini
Mags. Expanded .22lr hollowpoints dont penetrate deep enough for my liking.
Reliability differences between say a glock or m&p and a revolver are non
existent and so therefore all you’d be doing is limiting the capacity and
adding time to reload times. That’s how I view the revolver thing. Equally
I don’t think pistols should really be used for HD the only reason people
carry them is that they’re concealable. At home I see no reason not to go
long gun.
Awesome article. Just throwing this out there for everyone. I have thought
about using the birdshot round as your first round in a self defense
scenario. The idea of this would be to make your first shot count. You
would have a pretty good chance to hit and it would be very painful and
hopefully change the attackers mind about what he wanted to do. This is not
caliber specific. All your other rounds would by HP. I am not saying 22 is
a good caliber for self defense. Just an idea.
Looks like you swapped “rifle” and “handgun” in the slide at the 4:14 mark.
A typo, I’m sure. Fantastic video! It really hits home for me as I
sometimes carry a Ruger LCR-22 w/ CCI Quik-Shok pre-segmented rounds,
typically when I want to demonstrate the benefits of a revolver for a woman.
This is great info. Right now my wife, who’s new to shooting is only
comfortable with her Ruger 10/22 rifle. We’re taking the AK to the range
next week. She may fall in love with it and steal it from me, though. Then
I’ll just have to buy another one. darn.darn.darn.
I like the idea, especially in urban environments where thieves going into
a home are a) of pretty low intelligence, and b) likely not the type to go
into a situation like that expecting a shootout, and c) the death of which
would result in the shooter going to jail for at least as long enough as
the dust settled. However, the fact that none of the birdshot .22LR
cartridges will *reliably* cycle most (if not all) .22 autos, means they
get the mean end of the stick first 🙁
As I would not want to be shot with any of them… A couple of notables
were missing- CCI Stinger and the Rem Yellowjacket….? I really like my
22LCR and I shoot it very well (L)weak handed… Thanks for the interesting
videos.
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Very thorough, well done.
I have the P22 as backup to my SP2022 and I concur that very few rounds
expand in targets at 10 meters / 30 yds, including Stingers.
A barrel shorter than 4 inches just does not create sufficient velocity.
But, the best gun is the one you have on you – and I would submit, in
addition to the points on affordability and less recoil, that the compact
size might offer concealed carry options in certain situations which a
standard or even compact 9mmP or 40S&W wont.
Further, the P22 matched with Stinger rounds creates sufficient shock-&-awe
in a self defense situation (because of the significant percussion) to at
least temporarily disorientate your attacker and will probably give them
convincing reason to reconsider their attack. If backed up with the
required, appropriate training, the P22 (or the Ruger) can be very
effective in self defense.
Thanks again for a good review!
how about doing some round nose next? please include cci 40gr vs
winchester super x 40gr
Very thorough, well done.
I have the P22 as backup to my SP2022 and I concur that very few rounds
expand in targets at 10 meters / 30 yds, including Stingers.
A barrel shorter than 4 inches just does not create sufficient velocity.
But, the best gun is the one you have on you – and I would submit, in
addition to the points on affordability and less recoil, that the compact
size might offer concealed carry options in certain situations which a
standard or even compact 9mmP or 40S&W wont.
Further, the P22 matched with Stinger rounds creates sufficient shock-&-awe
in a self defense situation (because of the significant percussion) to at
least temporarily disorientate your attacker and will probably give them
convincing reason to reconsider their attack. If backed up with the
required, appropriate training, the P22 (or the Ruger) can be very
effective in self defense.
Thanks again for a good review!
Thank you for the tremendous amount of research and testing! Definitely not
an ideal caliber, but certainly a viable caliber particularly since it’s
very easy to get off multiple shots quickly in a tight group because of the
low recoil. I was personally impressed with the Sniper Subsonics.
Thanks so much, I will follow your recommendations,
Excellent data, thanks for posting! :)
ouch eye shot would hurt but likely keep as a disarm only
I am aware of the difference in velocity’s that a long barrel has over a
short barrel. His comment was “very seldom does a hand gun have enough
velocity to expand”. Let me reiterate , an be more specific, “with cci
hollow points i get 100% expansion with my 22/45, 5 inch barrel hand gun
out to around fifty yards.
Your video is amazing! Very useful info. Thx!
CCI Stinger?
I would like to see this again with denim an maybe a rib from a deer in
front of the test media, it would be a different outcome. CCI hollow points
mushroom 100% of the time out of my Ruger 22/45 when shooting thru deer or
cow ribs.
the “knocking” in the background of your video made me think someone was in
my house
the sss bullet is extremely accurate when used with the correct rifling, it
needs a 1-9 twist which makes it a natural for ar15 conversion kits. it
carries more energy at extended range than the high velocity rounds and
offers more penetration. note it is a 22 short case with a 60 grain bullet.
Another good reason NOT to use the shotshell round is that they will not
cycle the pistol for a second shot.
How are you getting a velocity of only 1280fps out of a RIFLE for the
Velocitor, when it’s rated at 1435? Did you test more than one round? And
how is there only 10.8 inches in penetration in 10% gel for the same round,
when in your 20% gel went basically to the end of the 10 inch block?
Awesome info…thanks for posting!
Always wanted to know the brass tack facts about .22lr for self defense.
Great video, thanks!
Some of us have the skills and the mindset to be very effective with just a
mouse gun. Don’t worry. I’m very well armed at home and on the road. The
22lr pistol is just a sweet little sub compact for those days when I’m
feeling more like James Bond or Jason Bourne and I’m in the mood for
finesse. I have lots of B.A. choices for those days when I need to go Rambo
and get all Terminator on someone. LOL!
Great video! Thanks for posting. We have a 22lr handgun and we keep it
loaded and available as a defensive firearm. CCI makes a 40 grain solid
nose Mini Mag and that’s what we load for PD in our little mouse gun.
Ballistic gel tests from a handgun have shown penetration of 13″ for the 40
gr CCI Mini Mag. CCI Mini Mags are known for reliable ignition so we trust
it.
I like the segmented ammo. Breaks apart and turns knife like on target.
Cutting all kinds of arteries and organs
Why not a revolver? Theoretically more reliable than both with rimfire.
the 40gr velocitor looks like the clear winner to me It nearly looks like a
decent 9mm JHP going through the block. I just wish someone would dispell
these myths about 22lr. I get so tired of hearing “it’ll bounce around
inside of them!” There’s boat loads of choices for defensive firearms, if
you can’t handle recoil, stop buying microscopic guns! Get a full sized
service firearm, like the beretta 92, it recoils about like a 22lr.
I found that Stingers, Velocitors and other high/hyper velocity .22s expand
from my S&W 22A with a 5.5″ barrel.
Back when pistols were legal here I saw some distinct differences in
reliability. One Beretta .22LR with tiny grip and tiny barrel would
reliably fire any round it actually chambered but sucked at feeding
relative to most of the others. Some of the others must have had lame or
dirty mechanisms because they didn’t reliably fire some ammunition. The
brand new S&W (1995 model, I think) *always* misfed from a full magazine
and nearly always misfed the last round in the magazine too. Brownings
ruled!
Awesome video, wish you would have had CCI Stingers though. 🙁
What a great video. Have you heard of the Yellow Jackets? Some sayitI is a
good option for NAA 22LR
(facepalm) Yes indeed, it is correct! My sincere apologies. I should’ve
listened to your audio commentary but I got engrossed in the data.
Both better than .22lr and 9mm is totally acceptable from a handgun.
The chart is correct, as originally published.
Thanks, excellent presentation.
What’s wrong with a 9mm for SD?
very informative, though i do not own a .22 handgun it was indeed something
to think about.
Really good video. Bravo.
If a bullet can’t penetrate drywall don’t count on it penetrating a sternum
and driving deep into vital organs. Stay away from segmented and shotshell
crap. 60 gr Aguila SSS gets my vote, but I’ll settle for 40 gr CCI Mini
Mags. Expanded .22lr hollowpoints dont penetrate deep enough for my liking.
Reliability differences between say a glock or m&p and a revolver are non
existent and so therefore all you’d be doing is limiting the capacity and
adding time to reload times. That’s how I view the revolver thing. Equally
I don’t think pistols should really be used for HD the only reason people
carry them is that they’re concealable. At home I see no reason not to go
long gun.
Good advice.
Awesome article. Just throwing this out there for everyone. I have thought
about using the birdshot round as your first round in a self defense
scenario. The idea of this would be to make your first shot count. You
would have a pretty good chance to hit and it would be very painful and
hopefully change the attackers mind about what he wanted to do. This is not
caliber specific. All your other rounds would by HP. I am not saying 22 is
a good caliber for self defense. Just an idea.
Looks like you swapped “rifle” and “handgun” in the slide at the 4:14 mark.
A typo, I’m sure. Fantastic video! It really hits home for me as I
sometimes carry a Ruger LCR-22 w/ CCI Quik-Shok pre-segmented rounds,
typically when I want to demonstrate the benefits of a revolver for a woman.
This is great info. Right now my wife, who’s new to shooting is only
comfortable with her Ruger 10/22 rifle. We’re taking the AK to the range
next week. She may fall in love with it and steal it from me, though. Then
I’ll just have to buy another one. darn.darn.darn.
Thank you this is very informative
I like the idea, especially in urban environments where thieves going into
a home are a) of pretty low intelligence, and b) likely not the type to go
into a situation like that expecting a shootout, and c) the death of which
would result in the shooter going to jail for at least as long enough as
the dust settled. However, the fact that none of the birdshot .22LR
cartridges will *reliably* cycle most (if not all) .22 autos, means they
get the mean end of the stick first 🙁
Really helpful information and thank you for sharing. Have you one
concerning the reliability of rimfire ammo in general?
As I would not want to be shot with any of them… A couple of notables
were missing- CCI Stinger and the Rem Yellowjacket….? I really like my
22LCR and I shoot it very well (L)weak handed… Thanks for the interesting
videos.
Aguila 60 grain is my choice from a rifle barrel. still not sure what I
would pick for a hand gun defencive load in .22 lr
less penetration aka varmint round.