I warned you about Kashama Sawant, now she’s attacking Palestine’s right to defend itself. She offered a letter to Obama condemning Israel and then condemning Palestine. Source: Israel and…
Also, Jason, I found what you said a little ultra-leftist when you said
that all parliamentary politics are bourgeois. Communist parties all over
the world have engaged in parliamentary politics. For instance, the
Communist Party of Germany received a third of the votes in the 1932
elections in Germany. I agree that parliamentary politics don’t necessarily
constitute proletarian revolution, however they can mobilize and increase
support for the party. Revolutionary socialist parties like Hugo Chavez’s
party have helped reorganize society within the parliamentary framework.
The Sandinistas, upon winning a majority in Nicaragua’s parliament
nationalized several key industries, decreased illiteracy, and helped raise
the minimum wage in the country. Had the Contras not destabilized
Nicaragua, they probably would have eventually created a workers republic.
Death toll does not matter, If Israel did not have Iron Dome casualties on
their side would be higher in which Palestine does not have the technology
or funds to make such a sytem, also Israel have shelters which drops the
casualty rate on their side more and the fact that Gaza has a high density
population makes casualties almost inevitable especially when Hamas stores
their weapons in public places.
This sounds just like another ad hominem attack for publicity from you DPRK
sycophant audiance, Nepal’s Maoists, seattle socialist, Trotskiets etc
anything which disagrees with your one dimensional retarded grasp of
Marxism. I’m sure it will shortly be followed by the normal boohoo I’m
being bullied on Facebook 13 year old tantrum videos. Anyhow I’m assuming
you know what the purpose of an open letter is and the standard use of
diplomatic language. Putting that paragraph doesn’t make her reactive it
makes her fucking sensible to 1) prevent reprisals from far more powerful
Jewish groups and 2) to ensure the letter is taken serious by the president.
Clearly you picked one specific paragraph but failed (apart from making one
tiny hint) that the other 5 paragraphs focused on the plight of the
Palestinians, the destruction, war crimes and most importantly and end to
the blockade, occupation and settlements.
Unless you can suggest your own personal involvement in the
Israel-Palestine crisis which has resulted in a possible solution greater
than hers you just look like a fat cunt playing dress up and out of
jealousy attacking anyone who is far more successful than you.
The only way this world can remain free is to annihilate the socialists.
Death to the socialists! Death to the Peasants! Death to the working class!
Death to the Arabs! Fuck palestine! LONG LIVE ISRAEL!
I Blame Hitchens. He started all this Trot barbarian bashing. Viz-a-vis
‘screw these patriarchal knuckle scrapers – some Liberal imperialism will
do them good’. And somewhat ironically Hitchens’ Trot approach has proved
a far more effective propaganda tool for US imperialism than George Bush’s
patriotic rabble rousing – that soon ran out of steam. The
atheist/Trot/Liberal vanguard orchestrated by Hitchens, Dawkins, Bill Maher
et al is increasingly winning over the progressive soft-left to the War on
Terror. Whereby the mass-murder of Arab women and children will be carried
out in the name of atheism, feminism and gay-rights.
Maybe one day I can be a petty bourgeois first world third worldist with an
audience shaming Seattle socialists about the fact that a minority woman
with a foreign sounding name who’s openly socialist managed to get elected
by militantly campaigning towards the interests of working class voters and
actually unseated a democrat. Then I can tell them how shameful it is that
she would word things carefully in an open political letter, and infer all
sorts of things that don’t make sense from it.
And damn, first world socialists, what despicable sell outs. I mean even
though first world socialists want global liberation and better standards
of living for everyone, they care about and talk about issues that effect
the working class in their own countries, and how dare they?
Of course, what first world socialists should do is take up guns and launch
a violent revolution, defeating scores of police with riot gear, waves and
waves of far right reactionaries with guns, massive paramilitary
organizations, a well equipped army with drones, and private, govt, and
military surveillance agencies some of which are predisposed to remove
anyone who actually does start rallying militant action on the left.
The last thing we should do is engage in social and political struggles to
bring about a change in the consciousness of individuals. That would be
just too… Maoist…
I’m really unfamiliar with this sentiment you describe: the working class
in the US and UK seeing itself as the world’s oppressed…Most working
class folks here in the US don’t see themselves as working class.
no need to make broad swipes at Trots. Now is not the time (has there even
been a time?) for leftist infighting. Not that I don’t believe certain
tendencies are destructive are require checking. We just don’t need to play
the holier than thou-form-of-Marxism stunt.
Jason: “Do I have to explain to her the concept of imperialism? We know
that Trotskyists are very… you know they have a really good, strong
tendency towards imperialism itself–and a tendency towards racism. Am I
accusing Kshama Sawant of racism? No. I am, however, accusing her of
supporting imperialism.”
Sawant: “The last month of killings in Gaza … are not only stomach
turning, they are one in a long and documented series of war crimes
stretching over decades. This has been happening with the tacit or overt
complicity of U.S. imperialism. It is the responsibility of elected
officials everywhere to speak openly to stop the humanitarian crisis and to
condemn it in the strongest possible terms.”
So, Kshama Sawant thinks it’s the “responsibility of elected officials
everywhere to speak openly to stop the humanitarian crisis and to condemn
it in the strongest possible terms” while Jason is confused as to why “a
city council felt the need to actually step in on the Israel-Palestine
issue–which basically has no relevance on like a municipal level.” Jason
“wonders why it was necessary.” Hmm… but she’s the one who doesn’t care
about the “real” poor people, right? Yeah, that makes sense.
Jason: “They’re [the Palestinians] overwhelmingly obviously the victims in
this case. The ‘war’ has been tremendously brutally one sided. But what
could possibly have happened to distort her thinking to where she would say
something like this?”
Something like this?
Sawant: “…I think it’s necessary to acknowledge the complete lack of
proportion between the violence that Hamas is capable of and the violence
being done by the Israeli state on Palestine.”
What did you read? It’s as if you’re arguing with some figment of your
imagination.
Jesus… your obsession with discrediting Kshama Sawant is just weird. It
might be time to take a little break and cool off. It’s getting really
embarrassing. Next time you find yourself getting enraged over something
like this, stay as far away from a camera as possible. Go outside and take
a walk or something. Anything but this.
You keep saying that “this is what happens” when people participate in
bourgeois politics. Well, this is what happens when unstable,
self-absorbed lunatics achieve a little bit of internet fame. You know,
it’s okay to accept that other people can call themselves socialists, or
Marxists, or communists without fitting into your little narrow world
view. It doesn’t make them bad people, or frauds, or anything of the
sort. They don’t need your permission. You don’t have all the answers.
In fact, when it comes to organizing a revolutionary movement, I think you
would be pretty far down on any list of people to go to for answers. It’s
easy to just issue condemnations over the internet by repeating ad nauseam
the same elementary Marxist-Leninist axioms that any literate person could
learn to parrot in about a week and a half. It’s something else entirely
to take part in real world politics, while making real life decisions about
how best to forward a given struggle. Kshama Sawant doesn’t need your
condescending lectures.
She was not the only major third party candidate to get elected. 24 labor
candidates were elected in ohio, there are socialists on city councils,
cooperative committees/boards, school boards, and in Public Utility Boards
all across the West Coast, East Coast and Great Lakes areas. In appears
that more third parties have been elected than ever since at least our
great depression. There are third party right-wingers on the rise too and
this bodes well for the end of the two party system, which would be very
revolutionary from a political standpoint if anybody left or right achieved
this, even if it wasn’t specifically anti-capitalist. Two party liberal
democracies are breaking all over the place, from Greece and Sweden where
the far left is on the rise, to Brazil and Ecuador, as well is in the USA.
Dude, who the hell support missile shot on civilians? Either Israel or
Gaza, even thought we (the left) all know that Gaza is suffering more, but
eh, USA are far from this.
Jason how do you reconcile Atheistic Marxism with Hamas’ religious
fundamentalism? I support secular groups like PFLP but have real problems
with any group advocating religious fundamentalism.
Ugh…well those of us on the Revolutionary Democratic Socialist, and
libertarian socialists tendencies…or maybe just those here, except your
criticism. However, city council is really at the cross road between
parliamentarianism and…well, councilism. In the US, because of the way
our constitution is written, there is real power at the local and state
level, that the proletariat deserves to control. Despite her position on
Palestine, her election is symbolic and important in the left in America
She’s a government politician. She may be as good as they get at the
present, but her job literally means she will bend to the will of the
powers that be at least a little.
Before you continue “critiquing” Trotskyism in these types of videos, you
should really research it. You come off as any number of opponents of
communism in general when you speak on the matter.
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Also, Jason, I found what you said a little ultra-leftist when you said
that all parliamentary politics are bourgeois. Communist parties all over
the world have engaged in parliamentary politics. For instance, the
Communist Party of Germany received a third of the votes in the 1932
elections in Germany. I agree that parliamentary politics don’t necessarily
constitute proletarian revolution, however they can mobilize and increase
support for the party. Revolutionary socialist parties like Hugo Chavez’s
party have helped reorganize society within the parliamentary framework.
The Sandinistas, upon winning a majority in Nicaragua’s parliament
nationalized several key industries, decreased illiteracy, and helped raise
the minimum wage in the country. Had the Contras not destabilized
Nicaragua, they probably would have eventually created a workers republic.
Death toll does not matter, If Israel did not have Iron Dome casualties on
their side would be higher in which Palestine does not have the technology
or funds to make such a sytem, also Israel have shelters which drops the
casualty rate on their side more and the fact that Gaza has a high density
population makes casualties almost inevitable especially when Hamas stores
their weapons in public places.
This sounds just like another ad hominem attack for publicity from you DPRK
sycophant audiance, Nepal’s Maoists, seattle socialist, Trotskiets etc
anything which disagrees with your one dimensional retarded grasp of
Marxism. I’m sure it will shortly be followed by the normal boohoo I’m
being bullied on Facebook 13 year old tantrum videos. Anyhow I’m assuming
you know what the purpose of an open letter is and the standard use of
diplomatic language. Putting that paragraph doesn’t make her reactive it
makes her fucking sensible to 1) prevent reprisals from far more powerful
Jewish groups and 2) to ensure the letter is taken serious by the president.
Clearly you picked one specific paragraph but failed (apart from making one
tiny hint) that the other 5 paragraphs focused on the plight of the
Palestinians, the destruction, war crimes and most importantly and end to
the blockade, occupation and settlements.
Unless you can suggest your own personal involvement in the
Israel-Palestine crisis which has resulted in a possible solution greater
than hers you just look like a fat cunt playing dress up and out of
jealousy attacking anyone who is far more successful than you.
The only way this world can remain free is to annihilate the socialists.
Death to the socialists! Death to the Peasants! Death to the working class!
Death to the Arabs! Fuck palestine! LONG LIVE ISRAEL!
I Blame Hitchens. He started all this Trot barbarian bashing. Viz-a-vis
‘screw these patriarchal knuckle scrapers – some Liberal imperialism will
do them good’. And somewhat ironically Hitchens’ Trot approach has proved
a far more effective propaganda tool for US imperialism than George Bush’s
patriotic rabble rousing – that soon ran out of steam. The
atheist/Trot/Liberal vanguard orchestrated by Hitchens, Dawkins, Bill Maher
et al is increasingly winning over the progressive soft-left to the War on
Terror. Whereby the mass-murder of Arab women and children will be carried
out in the name of atheism, feminism and gay-rights.
Maybe one day I can be a petty bourgeois first world third worldist with an
audience shaming Seattle socialists about the fact that a minority woman
with a foreign sounding name who’s openly socialist managed to get elected
by militantly campaigning towards the interests of working class voters and
actually unseated a democrat. Then I can tell them how shameful it is that
she would word things carefully in an open political letter, and infer all
sorts of things that don’t make sense from it.
And damn, first world socialists, what despicable sell outs. I mean even
though first world socialists want global liberation and better standards
of living for everyone, they care about and talk about issues that effect
the working class in their own countries, and how dare they?
Of course, what first world socialists should do is take up guns and launch
a violent revolution, defeating scores of police with riot gear, waves and
waves of far right reactionaries with guns, massive paramilitary
organizations, a well equipped army with drones, and private, govt, and
military surveillance agencies some of which are predisposed to remove
anyone who actually does start rallying militant action on the left.
The last thing we should do is engage in social and political struggles to
bring about a change in the consciousness of individuals. That would be
just too… Maoist…
Also worthy of noting the CPUSA dropped Marxist-Leninism from it platform
and constitution.
So yeah more social democrats.
I’m really unfamiliar with this sentiment you describe: the working class
in the US and UK seeing itself as the world’s oppressed…Most working
class folks here in the US don’t see themselves as working class.
I dont understand how the Trotskyists are racist and imperialist.
no need to make broad swipes at Trots. Now is not the time (has there even
been a time?) for leftist infighting. Not that I don’t believe certain
tendencies are destructive are require checking. We just don’t need to play
the holier than thou-form-of-Marxism stunt.
Jason: “Do I have to explain to her the concept of imperialism? We know
that Trotskyists are very… you know they have a really good, strong
tendency towards imperialism itself–and a tendency towards racism. Am I
accusing Kshama Sawant of racism? No. I am, however, accusing her of
supporting imperialism.”
Sawant: “The last month of killings in Gaza … are not only stomach
turning, they are one in a long and documented series of war crimes
stretching over decades. This has been happening with the tacit or overt
complicity of U.S. imperialism. It is the responsibility of elected
officials everywhere to speak openly to stop the humanitarian crisis and to
condemn it in the strongest possible terms.”
So, Kshama Sawant thinks it’s the “responsibility of elected officials
everywhere to speak openly to stop the humanitarian crisis and to condemn
it in the strongest possible terms” while Jason is confused as to why “a
city council felt the need to actually step in on the Israel-Palestine
issue–which basically has no relevance on like a municipal level.” Jason
“wonders why it was necessary.” Hmm… but she’s the one who doesn’t care
about the “real” poor people, right? Yeah, that makes sense.
Jason: “They’re [the Palestinians] overwhelmingly obviously the victims in
this case. The ‘war’ has been tremendously brutally one sided. But what
could possibly have happened to distort her thinking to where she would say
something like this?”
Something like this?
Sawant: “…I think it’s necessary to acknowledge the complete lack of
proportion between the violence that Hamas is capable of and the violence
being done by the Israeli state on Palestine.”
What did you read? It’s as if you’re arguing with some figment of your
imagination.
What is there to expect from a Trotskyite, their founder was a fucking
traitor.
Jesus… your obsession with discrediting Kshama Sawant is just weird. It
might be time to take a little break and cool off. It’s getting really
embarrassing. Next time you find yourself getting enraged over something
like this, stay as far away from a camera as possible. Go outside and take
a walk or something. Anything but this.
You keep saying that “this is what happens” when people participate in
bourgeois politics. Well, this is what happens when unstable,
self-absorbed lunatics achieve a little bit of internet fame. You know,
it’s okay to accept that other people can call themselves socialists, or
Marxists, or communists without fitting into your little narrow world
view. It doesn’t make them bad people, or frauds, or anything of the
sort. They don’t need your permission. You don’t have all the answers.
In fact, when it comes to organizing a revolutionary movement, I think you
would be pretty far down on any list of people to go to for answers. It’s
easy to just issue condemnations over the internet by repeating ad nauseam
the same elementary Marxist-Leninist axioms that any literate person could
learn to parrot in about a week and a half. It’s something else entirely
to take part in real world politics, while making real life decisions about
how best to forward a given struggle. Kshama Sawant doesn’t need your
condescending lectures.
She was not the only major third party candidate to get elected. 24 labor
candidates were elected in ohio, there are socialists on city councils,
cooperative committees/boards, school boards, and in Public Utility Boards
all across the West Coast, East Coast and Great Lakes areas. In appears
that more third parties have been elected than ever since at least our
great depression. There are third party right-wingers on the rise too and
this bodes well for the end of the two party system, which would be very
revolutionary from a political standpoint if anybody left or right achieved
this, even if it wasn’t specifically anti-capitalist. Two party liberal
democracies are breaking all over the place, from Greece and Sweden where
the far left is on the rise, to Brazil and Ecuador, as well is in the USA.
Dude, who the hell support missile shot on civilians? Either Israel or
Gaza, even thought we (the left) all know that Gaza is suffering more, but
eh, USA are far from this.
That’s still better then any other elected politician in the US.
Jason how do you reconcile Atheistic Marxism with Hamas’ religious
fundamentalism? I support secular groups like PFLP but have real problems
with any group advocating religious fundamentalism.
there are 22 arabic states the world does not need one more.
arabs should go back to arab desert
And don’t talk about Trotskyists having imperialist tendencies at the same
time as you regularly defend the Stalinist regime >.>
She wants to end all aid to Israel. An unprecedented statement except by
Rand Paul, who retracted it.
Hey pariah kshama u pundek pariah
http://mynorthwest.com/992/2581426/Ambassador-of-Israel-to-US-says-Seattles-Kshama-Sawant-will-have-to-retract-statements
Ugh…well those of us on the Revolutionary Democratic Socialist, and
libertarian socialists tendencies…or maybe just those here, except your
criticism. However, city council is really at the cross road between
parliamentarianism and…well, councilism. In the US, because of the way
our constitution is written, there is real power at the local and state
level, that the proletariat deserves to control. Despite her position on
Palestine, her election is symbolic and important in the left in America
She’s a government politician. She may be as good as they get at the
present, but her job literally means she will bend to the will of the
powers that be at least a little.
Maybe she’s just thick. It seems to be a prominent (required?) trait in
“elected officials” in merica.
I expect her bank account to receive a hefty donation boost from some pro
israel organisation soon if not already.
Perhaps if I believed that distinctions might lead to something practical,
I might ascribe greater value to labeling the web of human rituals.
Before you continue “critiquing” Trotskyism in these types of videos, you
should really research it. You come off as any number of opponents of
communism in general when you speak on the matter.