MMA fighter Ramsey Dewey and Jesse “The Karate Nerd” Enkamp discuss why Mixed Martial Arts sucks for self-defense.
A perfect example was the home invasion experienced by }UFC fighter Anthony Smith. Turns out, self-protection includes several skills that are not taught in modern combat sports like #MMA
But what about traditional martial arts, like Karate?
The original purpose of Karate was pure self-defense. That’s why it included weapons, ground work, takedowns, joint locks, pressure points and much more. But after it spread from Okinawa to Japan, it shifted focus and eventually became an Olympic sport.
Today, most people find modern Karate ineffective in actual fights. But that’s because they are not looking at the functional applications hidden in kata – the traditional forms. The key is to rediscover the practical applications of kata, known as ”bunkai’ in Japanese.
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MMA training doesnt suck for self defense…it makes you more capable. Just like Boxing and Wrestling. None of these disciplines will save you from a well executed knife or gun ambush…but neither will a knife or a gun
Totally agree Self defence is a legal term . If you dont know the laws of where you are . You are screwed but all fighting training for fighting etc . If its tested along with situational awareness, environmental awareness, weapon taking . Can all help but trust me if you are having to use techniques physically. The shit has hit the fan . Everything is damage limitation . Doesnt matter who your are . If you havent dealt with fear , emotion , adrenaline, etc . It will not work . Competition fight training can help with this . An MMA student who learns these things . Will still fair better than someone with no training.
Mornin Sensei Jesse…..its been many years now but I have experienced fighting and self defense on the streets. Bones broken….knife wounds ..many teeth knocked out etc…Im still here Sensei…The truth is……Whenever I found myself in a bad spot……I was always at the WRONG place……With the WRONG people…….doin the WRONG things…..RUNNING is a great technique too!!..Life is GOOD now……I dont do that silly stuff anymore!….In a couple of those cases KARATE saved my life…..Teach OUR children well….I know you will Sensei…..Tootaloo fer now….Thank you for the video..
To be a victim of a home Invasion scenario in the middle of the night is for sure one of the scarriest things to happen, independent if you are a regular guy, pro mma fighter, cop, etc….especially if you have your family/kids around, too. The guy who invaded Anthony Smith's house wasn't only intoxicated or mentally ill but also a high Level collegial (or high school, don't know…) Wrestler. So under these circumstances it is hard to control a guy for everybody, pro mma athlete or not! In the end Anthony Smith could handle and control him! Imagine he wouldn't have trained MMA/BJJ?! Of course MMA as a combat sports is lacking the "software" in relation to self protection, but you easily can learn that and add it (contact Management, Awareness, Pre contact cues, "verbal Judo" and Deeskalation), but when it comes to the "hard ware", MMA does a pretty good job in my perspective to prepare you to handle at least one aggressive opponent, cause you learn to fight in all ranges of combat against resistance. I am a LE Officer and DT Trainer for 20 years and i can ensure you training stand up, clinch and ground with punches (i am training "traditional " BJJ) helped me a lot, phycically and mentally(confidence), to deal with aggressive people in violent situations. I am glad i had never experienced a home Inversion myself though. Greetings from Germany!
Each room of my house has a hidden weapon like a knife or a brass knuckle or whatever so that whenever someone breaks in, I can grab something wherever I am in the house
Positional awareness – as has been said before you can be in the right place to strike but you can also be in the right place to not get struck – 10 meters is relatively safe.
This topic remember me the clasic "mma fighter vs navy seal fight". The porpuse of your training is to prepare/forge your body to certain task… as a tool.
So is the same than asking "whats tool is better, a wrench or a hammer?" The obvious answer is its depends if youre in front of a screw or a nail.
Alot of traditional martial artists like to critise MMA in street scenarios, because it implies that their art is somehow better but cant prove it fighting any good mma guys
Ramsey started with the right premise, but did not explore it fully: self-defense is a legal term. It is not a tactic, it is not a skill, it is in no way, shape or form a method of action, once the fight starts. Self-defense is the legal justification for the application of force, and it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Now, you can apply principles of avoidance, deescalation , and what men like Craig Douglas and Chuck Haggard call managing unknown contacts. This is true, but it's not fighting, either.
Do not feed the trolls. MMA is a strong foundation for fighting, and that is what we are talking about here, fighting.
Is it a complete package? Well, yes and no. Good MMA is a complete system of unarmed fighting. Should a man learn to use weapons in addition? Then that depends on if he is learning MMA for a practical or sporting purpose.
Purpose and intent determines the student's path. I hear the same argument among jiu-jitsu instructors, some from very prestigious schools. "You can't do sport jiu-jitsu in the street!"
You think someone like Garry Tonon is going to granby roll three times to a de la Riva sweep to a leglock? No. He is going to exercise good fundamentals, close the distance, execute a simple takedown, and pummel his opponent to a pulp.
So the guy attacks from nowhere and wrestlers smith in the living room full of furniture🤔 MMA teaches ready alertness while self defense teaches you unawareness that an attack can come outta nowhere.
Nobody is talking about the greatest power there is. The power you can use. The powers that NOBODY is willing to fight. The power unleashed by the mighty canned beans
Shoot a man in the head who breaks into your home? You're all good, Castle law, Stand your ground etc! Choke a guy out and restrain him in a nonlethal manner? 25 to life, you freaking monster! …..What? Don't get me wrong I carry concealed and support the right to have guns. And don't discriminate against necessary lethal force in a crazy life or death scenario. But what in the sugar coated jelly bean hell kinda sense does it make to incarcerate a person who protected themself in a nonlethal manner?
I think the slap to the neck must have been a misunderstanding of what used to be taught in some combative circles as a hard sharp to the carotid area of the neck which will trigger the Vagus nerve and can in fact knock you out. I've actually experienced that 1. Only problem with that is it can also stroke you out. But if it's life-or-death no reason not to do it. Just make sure that you try to chop their head clean off with your bare hands so you make sure it has an effect.
I think the best self defense techniques regardless of art use the neutralization of the body's mobility based on its balance and structure. Causing pain doesn't not always work. As discussed thoroughly through the thread pain tolerance is a variable. You head to neutralize the attackers ability to move so they can't keep attacking you. Once you do that effectively you can pin, finish, or just get away which is probably the best option 9/10 times. Having an aura of don't attack me is the first and most important weapon. If that fails, stop the attack, immobilize the attacker, get outta there.
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MMA training doesnt suck for self defense…it makes you more capable. Just like Boxing and Wrestling. None of these disciplines will save you from a well executed knife or gun ambush…but neither will a knife or a gun
Totally agree
Self defence is a legal term . If you dont know the laws of where you are . You are screwed but all fighting training for fighting etc . If its tested along with situational awareness, environmental awareness, weapon taking .
Can all help but trust me if you are having to use techniques physically.
The shit has hit the fan .
Everything is damage limitation .
Doesnt matter who your are .
If you havent dealt with fear , emotion , adrenaline, etc . It will not work .
Competition fight training can help with this .
An MMA student who learns these things .
Will still fair better than someone with no training.
Mornin Sensei Jesse…..its been many years now but I have experienced fighting and self defense on the streets. Bones broken….knife wounds ..many teeth knocked out etc…Im still here Sensei…The truth is……Whenever I found myself in a bad spot……I was always at the WRONG place……With the WRONG people…….doin the WRONG things…..RUNNING is a great technique too!!..Life is GOOD now……I dont do that silly stuff anymore!….In a couple of those cases KARATE saved my life…..Teach OUR children well….I know you will Sensei…..Tootaloo fer now….Thank you for the video..
I think this man would get ducked up in the octagon
Police carry firearms for this very reason.
Life is much harder on people. The school of "Hard knocks" has reached a near impossible level for damn near everybody.
To be a victim of a home Invasion scenario in the middle of the night is for sure one of the scarriest things to happen, independent if you are a regular guy, pro mma fighter, cop, etc….especially if you have your family/kids around, too. The guy who invaded Anthony Smith's house wasn't only intoxicated or mentally ill but also a high Level collegial (or high school, don't know…) Wrestler. So under these circumstances it is hard to control a guy for everybody, pro mma athlete or not! In the end Anthony Smith could handle and control him! Imagine he wouldn't have trained MMA/BJJ?! Of course MMA as a combat sports is lacking the "software" in relation to self protection, but you easily can learn that and add it (contact Management, Awareness, Pre contact cues, "verbal Judo" and Deeskalation), but when it comes to the "hard ware", MMA does a pretty good job in my perspective to prepare you to handle at least one aggressive opponent, cause you learn to fight in all ranges of combat against resistance. I am a LE Officer and DT Trainer for 20 years and i can ensure you training stand up, clinch and ground with punches (i am training "traditional " BJJ) helped me a lot, phycically and mentally(confidence), to deal with aggressive people in violent situations. I am glad i had never experienced a home Inversion myself though. Greetings from Germany!
Its one of those situations where martial arts won't protect you, but you'd rather have it than not have it.
Reminded of our good friend Sensei Abernethy’s breakdown of consensual vs non-consensual violence
I love this conversation. 2 martial artists being open minded. Much respect.
Each room of my house has a hidden weapon like a knife or a brass knuckle or whatever so that whenever someone breaks in, I can grab something wherever I am in the house
Positional awareness – as has been said before you can be in the right place to strike but you can also be in the right place to not get struck – 10 meters is relatively safe.
This topic remember me the clasic "mma fighter vs navy seal fight".
The porpuse of your training is to prepare/forge your body to certain task… as a tool.
So is the same than asking "whats tool is better, a wrench or a hammer?" The obvious answer is its depends if youre in front of a screw or a nail.
Alot of traditional martial artists like to critise MMA in street scenarios, because it implies that their art is somehow better but cant prove it fighting any good mma guys
Schysst Muminkopp.
Ramsey started with the right premise, but did not explore it fully: self-defense is a legal term. It is not a tactic, it is not a skill, it is in no way, shape or form a method of action, once the fight starts. Self-defense is the legal justification for the application of force, and it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Now, you can apply principles of avoidance, deescalation , and what men like Craig Douglas and Chuck Haggard call managing unknown contacts. This is true, but it's not fighting, either.
Do not feed the trolls. MMA is a strong foundation for fighting, and that is what we are talking about here, fighting.
Is it a complete package? Well, yes and no. Good MMA is a complete system of unarmed fighting. Should a man learn to use weapons in addition? Then that depends on if he is learning MMA for a practical or sporting purpose.
Purpose and intent determines the student's path. I hear the same argument among jiu-jitsu instructors, some from very prestigious schools. "You can't do sport jiu-jitsu in the street!"
You think someone like Garry Tonon is going to granby roll three times to a de la Riva sweep to a leglock? No. He is going to exercise good fundamentals, close the distance, execute a simple takedown, and pummel his opponent to a pulp.
Let's all step back and be realistic here.
There’s a difference between street fighting and self defense fighting. One is two guys duking it out, the other is one to pray that never happens.
So the guy attacks from nowhere and wrestlers smith in the living room full of furniture🤔
MMA teaches ready alertness while self defense teaches you unawareness that an attack can come outta nowhere.
Nobody is talking about the greatest power there is. The power you can use. The powers that NOBODY is willing to fight. The power unleashed by the mighty canned beans
There’s martial arts buts then there’s meth. Hitlers blitzkriegs worked only because of meth….
Shoot a man in the head who breaks into your home? You're all good, Castle law, Stand your ground etc!
Choke a guy out and restrain him in a nonlethal manner? 25 to life, you freaking monster!
…..What?
Don't get me wrong I carry concealed and support the right to have guns. And don't discriminate against necessary lethal force in a crazy life or death scenario. But what in the sugar coated jelly bean hell kinda sense does it make to incarcerate a person who protected themself in a nonlethal manner?
U look tired bro rest up man
I think the slap to the neck must have been a misunderstanding of what used to be taught in some combative circles as a hard sharp to the carotid area of the neck which will trigger the Vagus nerve and can in fact knock you out. I've actually experienced that 1. Only problem with that is it can also stroke you out. But if it's life-or-death no reason not to do it. Just make sure that you try to chop their head clean off with your bare hands so you make sure it has an effect.
Best self defense: a gun. Just saying.
Real fight is at different level…no referee, no rules and possibly death.
I think the best self defense techniques regardless of art use the neutralization of the body's mobility based on its balance and structure. Causing pain doesn't not always work. As discussed thoroughly through the thread pain tolerance is a variable. You head to neutralize the attackers ability to move so they can't keep attacking you. Once you do that effectively you can pin, finish, or just get away which is probably the best option 9/10 times. Having an aura of don't attack me is the first and most important weapon. If that fails, stop the attack, immobilize the attacker, get outta there.