The #1 Mistake To Avoid AFTER A Self Defense Shooting
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00:00 What is the one thing you should never do following a violent self-defense incident?
00:41 Tom’s best advice on mistakes to avoid following a violent self-defense encounter.
01:35 Even if you’re telling the truth to investigators, a seasoned criminal will know how to game the system when giving an initial report to police following a crime.
02:38 How to respectfully decline to talk to police.
03:25 There is a difference between your right to remain silent and your right to an attorney. Be sure to raise your right to an attorney immediately and decline making any sort of statements until you have consulted counsel.
03:36 Kevin’s advice: “Don’t tamper with evidence.” Leave everything exactly as it lies following a deadly self-defense incident. Touching evidence or moving anything will send immediate red flags to police and investigators.
04:32 If you do need to move evidence (e.g. to secure a weapon for safety), be sure to tell the police exactly what you moved and why.
05:22 Cops are accustomed to people lying to them every single day, so they are experts at spotting falsehoods. If you are caught in a lie or tampering with a crime scene, they will immediately become suspicious.
I was a uniformed police officer, an old “road dog” as they say, for almost 13 years. As may be common for a lot of jurisdictions, we (uniformed officers who are initial responders to all scenes) NEVER read Miranda to suspects. We were trained this way, so the Detectives / Investigators could properly do their jobs. We just handled the scene, made the arrests or not, and transported the arrested to the jail facility. If the case is significant enough, such as a self defense shooting, the detective would Mirandize anyone before THEY questioned them. This procedure was taught for the aforementioned reason, but…. Looking back now, a few years later, maybe this was so that the responding officer DIDN’T “shut the talking, spontaneous comments, etc.” down for all parts leading up to the Investigator questioning suspects. That sounds more like the REAL reason. I say all of this to BACK UP what this video is saying. It’s better to be respectful and just tell the responding officers that you’d rather not comment or make any statements until you’ve had a chance to get in contact with an attorney! Hence, why I believe WHOLE HEARTEDLY in the USCCA!! ;-}. MM
Not talking to the "cops" in my town will be EASY. 1st IF they even answer the call, the "scene" will have been trampled by 3 dozen volunteer fire department folks. 2nd and most likely, given my experience with the local pig farm is one will show up sometime the next day to the tune of "wanna file a report?" The only thing the "cops" in my town do is harass elderly people about their grass being 4" high and ticketing people on the interstate. Their next big line is on the RARE occasion they do respond and per usual do nothing is "officer discretion" and when you press them to threaten the plaintiff with "abuse of the 911 system" eventhough the non emergency office number was called, but their worthless asses dump it on the county emergency line after 1700. "Cops?" Why would I EVER talk to a "cop"?
Never talk to the police, why, because… If you make a statement to the police the police no longer need to gather evidence nor do they need any witnesses especially if you have unintentionally incriminated yourself.
When I got my initial firearms when I was in training for State Department main was marksmanship under stress. Later as I civilian, my instructor emphasize the tremendous stress one would experience after a self defense shooting. I never see anyone go over that topic, how it effects your judgment, speech, memory, physical behavior, and so on.
For me, #1 mistake to avoid is talking too much to the police without legal representation. It's crucial to remember that even if you're telling the truth, your words could be used against you.
My instructor gave us a script to put in our phone with our lawyer’s number: “Officer, I want and intend to fully cooperate in this investigation; however, I’m invoking my right to remain silent until my attorney is present.” He added, “Then shut up! “
ETA: He also said that if the situation (ie, questioning despite your silence) is getting out of hand, just say, “I feel sick; I need medical help!” In MI, the on-scene questioning is supposed to stop.
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I was a uniformed police officer, an old “road dog” as they say, for almost 13 years. As may be common for a lot of jurisdictions, we (uniformed officers who are initial responders to all scenes) NEVER read Miranda to suspects. We were trained this way, so the Detectives / Investigators could properly do their jobs. We just handled the scene, made the arrests or not, and transported the arrested to the jail facility. If the case is significant enough, such as a self defense shooting, the detective would Mirandize anyone before THEY questioned them. This procedure was taught for the aforementioned reason, but…. Looking back now, a few years later, maybe this was so that the responding officer DIDN’T “shut the talking, spontaneous comments, etc.” down for all parts leading up to the Investigator questioning suspects. That sounds more like the REAL reason. I say all of this to BACK UP what this video is saying. It’s better to be respectful and just tell the responding officers that you’d rather not comment or make any statements until you’ve had a chance to get in contact with an attorney! Hence, why I believe WHOLE HEARTEDLY in the USCCA!! ;-}. MM
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TL;DR
In short don't talk to the police. Talk to a lawyer.
throw your gun in the gutter and run
Never talk to law enforcement without your attorney present. I'm retired LEO, always gave Miranda Rights but they just wouldn't stop talking.
Thank you for posting this. LE pretty much just want to close the case.
At 3:30 – In the military we learned to never lie to the IG at all never.
Once the IG starts digging with suspicion you're toast!
I dragged the body because he was bleeding on my carpet. 🤣
I need to go to the hospital
I need a lawyer
I’ll talk to you after that
Not talking to the "cops" in my town will be EASY. 1st IF they even answer the call, the "scene" will have been trampled by 3 dozen volunteer fire department folks. 2nd and most likely, given my experience with the local pig farm is one will show up sometime the next day to the tune of "wanna file a report?" The only thing the "cops" in my town do is harass elderly people about their grass being 4" high and ticketing people on the interstate.
Their next big line is on the RARE occasion they do respond and per usual do nothing is "officer discretion" and when you press them to threaten the plaintiff with "abuse of the 911 system" eventhough the non emergency office number was called, but their worthless asses dump it on the county emergency line after 1700.
"Cops?" Why would I EVER talk to a "cop"?
Never talk to the police, why, because… If you make a statement to the police the police no longer need to gather evidence nor do they need any witnesses especially if you have unintentionally incriminated yourself.
When I got my initial firearms when I was in training for State Department main was marksmanship under stress. Later as I civilian, my instructor emphasize the tremendous stress one would experience after a self defense shooting. I never see anyone go over that topic, how it effects your judgment, speech, memory, physical behavior, and so on.
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The number one mistake is calling the cops afterward,
For me, #1 mistake to avoid is talking too much to the police without legal representation. It's crucial to remember that even if you're telling the truth, your words could be used against you.
Forthcoming to the police about anything you handled, BUT….only after speaking to your attorney??
Never? Probably talk to the cops about anchors ⚓.
My instructor gave us a script to put in our phone with our lawyer’s number: “Officer, I want and intend to fully cooperate in this investigation; however, I’m invoking my right to remain silent until my attorney is present.”
He added, “Then shut up! “
ETA: He also said that if the situation (ie, questioning despite your silence) is getting out of hand, just say, “I feel sick; I need medical help!” In MI, the on-scene questioning is supposed to stop.
65th, 4 August 2023
Police get 48-72 hours to destress after a shooting. The public should know this too!