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Icy Mike 😆😆😆 I love your channel but this particular video is hilarious. No, no, no, no. The interesting thing about HEMA is that nerds get to practice violence in a scholarly fashion. So modern warrior culture bumps into it online quite a bit. Then there's guys like me who grew up as an athlete who take up the practice and have found a legit martial art. All I can say is there is the "common" methods of using the sword as told by the sword masters and then there's the trained way reserved at the time for nobility. You were definitely using some common methods, because they work. Steel weapons enhance the ability to inflict violence by a lot, obviously. But to put it into modern context, there's the street way to use firearms and then there's the trained way to use firearms. Both are deadly, one method is scalable and deadlier. That's what HEMA is to steel weapons. Taught by medieval badasses who went to war and crafted systems of fighting based on legit warfare experience. Another example: you want a bladed weapon specifically designed for CQB in a tight space? Look no further than the Pringle Greene manual on the system for boarding enemy naval ships using a cutlass. Ships have overhanging rigging, rolling seas, a press of men, craped spaces. The manual addresses this in the system. Obviously it's just a manual and men do the fighting and the bleeding – not the style or the manual. But it's a great place to start and practice. Why reinvent the wheel when the most powerful navy in the world at the time trained their men for this specific situation already? And admittedly the Pringle Green manual focuses on just the cutlass. What the experienced men would do is use cutlass and flintlock pistols in combo, but that's for another thread. I hope I have communicated the issue. You have dipped your toe into waters you haven't fathomed how deep they run. But trust me, the waters are deep and vast. There's a lot to sword combat. About 5000 years worth.
In my opinion the best sword for home defence would be the longsword, even if the dude has a machete he's got no chance. A lot of people are saying shorter weapons but the guy with the baseball bat has a decent chance against you if have something like a shortsword/cutlass. So the longsword being about baseball bat length is still easily used indoors but far deadlier.
as a HEMA nerd I kinda loved hearing you shit on HEMA a bit, it just has so many issues and it actually needs real criticism like this to drive it in a better direction.
Did Kendo for a few years and i think an advantage for the sword and shield vs bat in this test was that the shield in the left hand blocks the opponents right side. and all off your opponents held their Bat right-handed and mostly swung from the right.
I needed a good laugh today. lol I don’t know if you’d fair well against HEMA guys with other weapons, but it makes sense for home defense. I’d love to hear a discussion (sparring? lol) between you guys and @Skallagrim
As a fencer I'd say a rapier or smallsword for narrow halls. As a human in 2022 I'd throw a dummy wallet at them and instruct them to take it and leave while aiming the shotgun. If they aren't invading for cash then you have big problems.
The problem with swords is that most courts will either give you jailtime or send you to a mental asylum, even if the use was justified. Happened to the neighbor of my cousin who defended his apartment with a sword. He killed the intruder with a cut to the throat and a thrust to the heart. This was in 1998, the guy is still in prison today.
I did HEMA for a bit and would be surprised by and concerned for anyone doing HEMA for home defense/self-defense/self-protection.
Also, HEMA dagger is specifically for use against armored opponents and ideally after you’ve gotten them their backs. So almost useless in a modern context.
It's always annoying when you have somebody who sucks at fighting, but thinks they're a hard ass because they managed to slip in a KO on somebody who also sucks at fighting.
A 16-18 inch Tramontina machete (made in Brazil), combined with a homemade plywood shield or Cold Steel Buckler, is a fantastic combination in my opinion. Especially if you grind the machete to a "clip point" so it's pokey. I'm in Australia, and hypothetically, I would have this set up next to my bed. I might accidentally leave it there after I play ("train") with it. Now going to watch the rest of the video 😁👍 PS: I might have a bright flashlight duct taped to the handle of my plywood shield, and a can of pepper spray velcro'd to the inside of the shield as well.
As an avid consumer of sword nerd content this crossover makes me very happy. Also the messer has my vote.
Also, looking at the ancient manuals to learn how to fight is like trying to learn kick boxing by only watching question mark tutorials. They assume you already mastered the basics.
I have a lot of opinions on this and I think you make a good at argument in some areas but not so much in others. For context I’ve been doing HEMA in roughly 5 years now and have also done other combat sports (primarily judo) for about 8 years now.
Let me start this by saying that I think the premise that anyone should do HEMA for modern day self defense is pretty absurd and anyone advocating that is probably an idiot. Even discounting firearms, a sword Would not be my first choice for defending myself.
That said, as for whether it’s “stupid and/or unnecessary to do HEMA” if you decide to go that route I think can be answered with a solid “depends.” Personally, I’d compare doing HEMA in earnest to learn to defend yourself with a sword as being similar to taking one of those ten thousand dollar carbine tactics courses in order to protect yourself from a crackhead kicking down your door. It’s probably unnecessary, but go for it if that’s the thing your interested in.
That said, what SHOULD be considered necessary if you intend to defend yourself with a firearm is going to the range and learning how to shoot the damn thing. To that same end, if you want to use a sword or some other bladed object to protect yourself, it should be expected you learn good cutting mechanics and (if you feel inclined) at least the very basics of how to use it defensively. If you agree with that statement, then doing some HEMA might be a little necessary or at least not stupid since those skills fall within that category.
In another video Mike talks about how a lot of people who want to use knives to defend themselves don’t actually practice stabbing anything with it and are therefore misinformed on what their weapon is actually capable of. the same can be said about larger blades objects too. If you don’t have good cutting and thrusting mechanics you may only be able to deal superficial injuries to an attacker.
As a side note, please do not associate HEMA with that buttery moron shadiversity. Shad doesn’t have an education in history, he doesn’t do HEMA, and he sure as hell can’t fence worth a shit and there’s video evidence of that. I get that as a sword related sport HEMA attracts sweaty nerds and we have a reputation for that as a result, but you could at least cite people who actually know history well like matt Easton or people who are REALLY good at fighting like arto fama or jake Norwood if you want to see what HEMA actually looks like when trained properly.
9:30 The problem with Dagger sources in HEMA is that they are mostly made for/against armoured combat. You mostly see techniques which work in a harnisch but not without protection. Also the hits are against the weaknesses in the armour.
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Short sword (double edged), with pepper spray. Would be the best set up.
You should invite shad or another good hema guy onto the channel to expand on this concept
Icy Mike 😆😆😆 I love your channel but this particular video is hilarious. No, no, no, no. The interesting thing about HEMA is that nerds get to practice violence in a scholarly fashion. So modern warrior culture bumps into it online quite a bit. Then there's guys like me who grew up as an athlete who take up the practice and have found a legit martial art. All I can say is there is the "common" methods of using the sword as told by the sword masters and then there's the trained way reserved at the time for nobility. You were definitely using some common methods, because they work. Steel weapons enhance the ability to inflict violence by a lot, obviously. But to put it into modern context, there's the street way to use firearms and then there's the trained way to use firearms. Both are deadly, one method is scalable and deadlier. That's what HEMA is to steel weapons. Taught by medieval badasses who went to war and crafted systems of fighting based on legit warfare experience. Another example: you want a bladed weapon specifically designed for CQB in a tight space? Look no further than the Pringle Greene manual on the system for boarding enemy naval ships using a cutlass. Ships have overhanging rigging, rolling seas, a press of men, craped spaces. The manual addresses this in the system. Obviously it's just a manual and men do the fighting and the bleeding – not the style or the manual. But it's a great place to start and practice. Why reinvent the wheel when the most powerful navy in the world at the time trained their men for this specific situation already? And admittedly the Pringle Green manual focuses on just the cutlass. What the experienced men would do is use cutlass and flintlock pistols in combo, but that's for another thread. I hope I have communicated the issue. You have dipped your toe into waters you haven't fathomed how deep they run. But trust me, the waters are deep and vast. There's a lot to sword combat. About 5000 years worth.
Use the buckler with the cable scorpion weapon that you guys reviewed and watch things go poorly for the attacker…Stinger XL let's see that!
Roman short sword..gladius
In my opinion the best sword for home defence would be the longsword, even if the dude has a machete he's got no chance. A lot of people are saying shorter weapons but the guy with the baseball bat has a decent chance against you if have something like a shortsword/cutlass. So the longsword being about baseball bat length is still easily used indoors but far deadlier.
as a HEMA nerd I kinda loved hearing you shit on HEMA a bit, it just has so many issues and it actually needs real criticism like this to drive it in a better direction.
What about a spear? Kinda seems like everyone should have a shield at home, though. Man i want to do this at my gym .. lol looks fun lol
Did Kendo for a few years and i think an advantage for the sword and shield vs bat in this test was that the shield in the left hand blocks the opponents right side. and all off your opponents held their Bat right-handed and mostly swung from the right.
I needed a good laugh today. lol I don’t know if you’d fair well against HEMA guys with other weapons, but it makes sense for home defense. I’d love to hear a discussion (sparring? lol) between you guys and @Skallagrim
As a fencer I'd say a rapier or smallsword for narrow halls. As a human in 2022 I'd throw a dummy wallet at them and instruct them to take it and leave while aiming the shotgun. If they aren't invading for cash then you have big problems.
The problem with swords is that most courts will either give you jailtime or send you to a mental asylum, even if the use was justified. Happened to the neighbor of my cousin who defended his apartment with a sword. He killed the intruder with a cut to the throat and a thrust to the heart. This was in 1998, the guy is still in prison today.
I did HEMA for a bit and would be surprised by and concerned for anyone doing HEMA for home defense/self-defense/self-protection.
Also, HEMA dagger is specifically for use against armored opponents and ideally after you’ve gotten them their backs. So almost useless in a modern context.
It's always annoying when you have somebody who sucks at fighting, but thinks they're a hard ass because they managed to slip in a KO on somebody who also sucks at fighting.
A 16-18 inch Tramontina machete (made in Brazil), combined with a homemade plywood shield or Cold Steel Buckler, is a fantastic combination in my opinion. Especially if you grind the machete to a "clip point" so it's pokey. I'm in Australia, and hypothetically, I would have this set up next to my bed. I might accidentally leave it there after I play ("train") with it. Now going to watch the rest of the video 😁👍 PS: I might have a bright flashlight duct taped to the handle of my plywood shield, and a can of pepper spray velcro'd to the inside of the shield as well.
As an avid consumer of sword nerd content this crossover makes me very happy. Also the messer has my vote.
Also, looking at the ancient manuals to learn how to fight is like trying to learn kick boxing by only watching question mark tutorials. They assume you already mastered the basics.
I have a lot of opinions on this and I think you make a good at argument in some areas but not so much in others. For context I’ve been doing HEMA in roughly 5 years now and have also done other combat sports (primarily judo) for about 8 years now.
Let me start this by saying that I think the premise that anyone should do HEMA for modern day self defense is pretty absurd and anyone advocating that is probably an idiot. Even discounting firearms, a sword Would not be my first choice for defending myself.
That said, as for whether it’s “stupid and/or unnecessary to do HEMA” if you decide to go that route I think can be answered with a solid “depends.” Personally, I’d compare doing HEMA in earnest to learn to defend yourself with a sword as being similar to taking one of those ten thousand dollar carbine tactics courses in order to protect yourself from a crackhead kicking down your door. It’s probably unnecessary, but go for it if that’s the thing your interested in.
That said, what SHOULD be considered necessary if you intend to defend yourself with a firearm is going to the range and learning how to shoot the damn thing. To that same end, if you want to use a sword or some other bladed object to protect yourself, it should be expected you learn good cutting mechanics and (if you feel inclined) at least the very basics of how to use it defensively. If you agree with that statement, then doing some HEMA might be a little necessary or at least not stupid since those skills fall within that category.
In another video Mike talks about how a lot of people who want to use knives to defend themselves don’t actually practice stabbing anything with it and are therefore misinformed on what their weapon is actually capable of. the same can be said about larger blades objects too. If you don’t have good cutting and thrusting mechanics you may only be able to deal superficial injuries to an attacker.
As a side note, please do not associate HEMA with that buttery moron shadiversity. Shad doesn’t have an education in history, he doesn’t do HEMA, and he sure as hell can’t fence worth a shit and there’s video evidence of that. I get that as a sword related sport HEMA attracts sweaty nerds and we have a reputation for that as a result, but you could at least cite people who actually know history well like matt Easton or people who are REALLY good at fighting like arto fama or jake Norwood if you want to see what HEMA actually looks like when trained properly.
Imagine bleeding out, the world going black, and you hear "well largely edge-weapon stoppages are psychological stoppages…"
another great video mike. btw, can you do a collab with tony jeffries? or at least make an impersonation of him? haha.
Messer is the best friking sword you ever need. You can cut people and your stake with it..or people stakes with it I guess I dont know what you eat.
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The problem with Dagger sources in HEMA is that they are mostly made for/against armoured combat. You mostly see techniques which work in a harnisch but not without protection. Also the hits are against the weaknesses in the armour.
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