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I watch these videos you post because they are good educational videos because these videos are our eyes of the world most of the time things are sight unseen that we have not seen yet
its ultimately still the perps fault since w/o HIS CRIMINAL CHOICE the other misfortune would not have occurred… still wise to take an extra moment like getting into a position to catch a runner while deciding whos who
if it becomes a court case then the first point is what your lawyer will have leverage w/ in persuading jurors
This video reminds me of the good samaritan that lost his life trying to stop a couple that killed two LEO's in Las Vegas a couple years ago. When the good guy intervened to stop the male shooter, he neglected to check if he had an accomplis, the bad guy's girlfriend shot the good guy point blank from behind and killed him. If you want to intervene in a third party altercation, don't just rush in without knowing at least who the belligerents are and what is at stakes.
Stepping in on 3rd Party Encounters is okay if you see the whole incident unfold and know what's going on. Or a very obvious situation. But I'm wondering why the mop guy appears to be making the floor dirtier…
The one video that really hit me hard was one posted maybe half a year ago, when there was a women who was being brutality stabbed while everyone just stood around and watched.
Best way to get involved is be a good witness and call police. That is what they tell off duty law enforcement to do unless it's life and death situation.
As a LEO for 25 years, I agree: think very hard before intervening in a 3rd party incident. I can't say it enough. I've seen so many people jammed up for doing what they thought was the right thing. If you aren't familiar with the players and don't know what's going on, stay out of it. Many well-intended people are doing prison time because of what they THOUGHT they saw.
I believe you should always ask around or try to figure out what is going on if it's just fists to cuffs. As you said in the video it's unreasonable to just pick, and rush one person without taking any time to figure out what is going on.
John with your general "rules" you preach over and over on the channel like being careful in 3rd party, keep tools on you, five D's +1, staying off the x, etc etc.. is there anything that you have changed your mind on over the years? any footage or events that has changed the way you think about things after starting the channel?
I think he was lucky he tackled the loss prevention office who is obviously an honest and understanding guy (for not sueing him for neglence/assault). I don't care what anyone says, it wasn't worth hurting anyone, including the thief, for $70 worth of merchandise. I'm no bleeding heart, but the punishment has to fit the crime. Holding a person's arms while launching them to the ground with enough force to cause serious and lasting injury is without question excessive (and really ignorant). If he tackled the thief in this manner, he would most likely be sued for assault and using excessive force. Sadly, the thief would have a strong case if that had happened. How many zeros is that worth on a settlement… Not worth it to get involved in this one. He had no dog in this fight. Running into the danger? Not exactly covering your ASP. RUN AWAY BEFORE SOMEONE STARTS SHOOTING!…If no one's life is in danger, It is always best to butt out. Just one person's opinion…
He rushed to help, but didn't take the time to see who was the bad guy, if the guy who was trying to subdue thief was armed he might have thought hero was with perp and shot him thinking he's dealing with multiple bad guys. I know things happen fast in these encounters but you need to take a second to asses what's going on before jumping in.
Check your hero white knight mentality, self defenders. All the comment sections show there are plenty of ASP watchers like this. It's why John teaches skills and plan. Attitude alone will get results like this.
Of course its not reasonable, jumping into third party encounters without any info is like shooting a gun in a room full of people while blind. Reminds me of the guy that got shot by police for breaking up a fight all because he had a gun on his hip.
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I watch these videos you post because they are good educational videos because these videos are our eyes of the world most of the time things are sight unseen that we have not seen yet
First step: ASSESS THE SITUATION
Yes you can't just jump in without knowing what's going on…
Entering third party encounters can be fine, but you need to stop and take a moment to figure out what is going on.
So the management of the store is overreacting to a public servants overreaction… the store hasnt learned the lesson it claims it is teaching
One of the few polls where the percentage difference between the two options is very close.
its ultimately still the perps fault
since w/o HIS CRIMINAL CHOICE the other misfortune
would not have occurred… still wise to take an extra moment
like getting into a position to catch a runner while deciding whos who
if it becomes a court case then the first point
is what your lawyer will have leverage w/ in persuading jurors
A cop jumping to conclusions 🤔
This video reminds me of the good samaritan that lost his life trying to stop a couple that killed two LEO's in Las Vegas a couple years ago. When the good guy intervened to stop the male shooter, he neglected to check if he had an accomplis, the bad guy's girlfriend shot the good guy point blank from behind and killed him. If you want to intervene in a third party altercation, don't just rush in without knowing at least who the belligerents are and what is at stakes.
Stepping in on 3rd Party Encounters is okay if you see the whole incident unfold and know what's going on. Or a very obvious situation. But I'm wondering why the mop guy appears to be making the floor dirtier…
The one video that really hit me hard was one posted maybe half a year ago, when there was a women who was being brutality stabbed while everyone just stood around and watched.
Best way to get involved is be a good witness and call police. That is what they tell off duty law enforcement to do unless it's life and death situation.
Got to know what's going on before you do anything
Great advice and knowledge.
As a LEO for 25 years, I agree: think very hard before intervening in a 3rd party incident. I can't say it enough. I've seen so many people jammed up for doing what they thought was the right thing. If you aren't familiar with the players and don't know what's going on, stay out of it. Many well-intended people are doing prison time because of what they THOUGHT they saw.
I believe you should always ask around or try to figure out what is going on if it's just fists to cuffs. As you said in the video it's unreasonable to just pick, and rush one person without taking any time to figure out what is going on.
"terrible stuff" not really john you might becoming desensitized in your analysis… lets take a step back and compare whats really going on here.
John with your general "rules" you preach over and over on the channel like being careful in 3rd party, keep tools on you, five D's +1, staying off the x, etc etc.. is there anything that you have changed your mind on over the years? any footage or events that has changed the way you think about things after starting the channel?
criminal investigation of this guy for trying to do the right thing.
I think he was lucky he tackled the loss prevention office who is obviously an honest and understanding guy (for not sueing him for neglence/assault). I don't care what anyone says, it wasn't worth hurting anyone, including the thief, for $70 worth of merchandise. I'm no bleeding heart, but the punishment has to fit the crime. Holding a person's arms while launching them to the ground with enough force to cause serious and lasting injury is without question excessive (and really ignorant). If he tackled the thief in this manner, he would most likely be sued for assault and using excessive force. Sadly, the thief would have a strong case if that had happened. How many zeros is that worth on a settlement… Not worth it to get involved in this one. He had no dog in this fight. Running into the danger? Not exactly covering your ASP. RUN AWAY BEFORE SOMEONE STARTS SHOOTING!…If no one's life is in danger, It is always best to butt out. Just one person's opinion…
What a moron
loss prevention officer who cant fall 2 feet without major injuries?
insurance claims?
facepalm
776th!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🙂 Got here before 1,000th.
If that was brazil, the off-duty officer would have killed everybody at the scene. 🙂
Great take down though!!
Hot headed idiot
He rushed to help, but didn't take the time to see who was the bad guy, if the guy who was trying to subdue thief was armed he might have thought hero was with perp and shot him thinking he's dealing with multiple bad guys. I know things happen fast in these encounters but you need to take a second to asses what's going on before jumping in.
Check your hero white knight mentality, self defenders. All the comment sections show there are plenty of ASP watchers like this. It's why John teaches skills and plan. Attitude alone will get results like this.
Of course its not reasonable, jumping into third party encounters without any info is like shooting a gun in a room full of people while blind. Reminds me of the guy that got shot by police for breaking up a fight all because he had a gun on his hip.